Burns did all the talking and he said ,'Would you like to make a lot of easy money?' " Chase contends: "I told Burns someone ought to make a lot of money if he could fix the Series, but that I didn't want to get mixed up in it because I had enough trouble at the moment, including another run-in with my second wife. I swear to God I kept out of the fixing of the games, but Burn's companion took over from there, and I have always said he was the ring leader and man who led in the fixing. The courts didn't prove this." Author/historian Eliot Asinof, in his book Eight Men Out, states that Chase was much more positive than this, and suggested that Burns should visit a gambling acquaintance of Chase's. This man was supposedly Abe Attell. The visit to him was necessitated by the fact that Arnold Rothstein, the first gambler approached by Gandil, balked at putting up any money. Chase continued: "Some of the boys in the plot wanted to back out and did. My name was tossed around and I received much of the blame for plotting the fix. That is a lie. Had I gone to President Heydler or to Manager McGraw, I could have helped baseball and myself. Later, it was too late. My name, because of my past, was implicated, and no one wanted to believe my story. I didn't get a dime out of the fixed Series, and many of those indicted didn't either. They were paid, sure enough, but look at the scrape they got into. Their payoff went into legal fees for lawyers and their bad name broke them. Any form of gambling in baseball is bad and any player who thinks he can get away with it is badly mistaken. I'd give anything if I could start in all over again. What a change there would be in the life of Hal Chase. I was all wrong, at least in most things, and my best proof is that I am flat on my back, without a dime."